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Here is the Original Email
Hey Beautiful,
Here is an email from a woman whose
story I'm calling:
"Tell Him Juliet Has Left the
Balcony":
This story was shared with me
about 2 years ago...
I hope I can find out what
happened. Here goes:
(Details have been changed for
privacy.)
Hi Mimi,
First I have to say, your work is
fantastic,
and I always look forward to your
emails.
I'll try to keep this short...
I work in the medical field, and I
have been
dating a highly regarded
professional in the
same field for 3 years.
We are so in love with each other.
We are that
couple that has to sit beside each
other in
a restaurant, whose breakfast bowls
have to
be touching... who everyone comments
on us
wherever we go. We are so
touchy-feely,
we laugh, we have so much fun... we
play!
We twirl in the grocery store! Our
passion
is enough to bring tears to my eyes.
Sounds
too good to be true!
It is...
He ended a marriage of 20 years,
moved into his
own place and has been with me ever
since. I
believe he loves me, I can see it.
we can sit
for hours staring into each other's
eyes....
His problem is, he misses living
with his children.
He sees them daily, but he says he
misses the
little things of living with them.
His work is
very demanding, and feels guilty he
is not living
with his children. I get that.
He is spending more and more time at
his ex-wife's
house to be with his kids. I even
understand that...
But he has asked for "space" to
figure out what to
do with his life. He often says,
"Maybe I can be
home again....if I could just learn
to fall in
love with my ex."
He says they have a 20-plus-year
history, and he
loves her, but not that way. He says
maybe if he
spends more time there he might be
able to feel
something other than friendship for
her.
I know he is not intimate with her,
but he IS
experimenting by kissing her
goodnight to see
if he can develop feelings... and
somehow learn
to live without me...
However, we never last more than 3
days apart.
It's so strong, I logically cannot
explain it.
I know I should let him go, figure
himself out...
but I feel like I can hardly breathe
without
him. And he gets the same for me.
I'm not sure
if someone can *learn* to fall in
love, if that
spark is not there.
Although they were together over 20
years, he
said he had no idea love could feel
like it does
with us.
My problem: I know I need to leave
him to figure
his life out. I follow your "tips"
for a short
time; I do not call him, I wait to
get back to him,
when he calls, I am sweet and keep
it short... but
I end up losing it when I do the
"tips" and I don't
hear from him. (I guess I want it to
happen faster?)
It's never been more than a day that
he doesn't call
or text... but I feel sad that "all"
I get is a call.
I want him to show up!!! And I end
up calling him
after about a week of following the
rules.... and
talk about my feelings... and cry...
but he's on
my mind ALL THE TIME.
I tried to "see" other people, and I
would come home
and bawl my face off, because I
don't want anyone else.
My heart is with him. Yes, it is
nice to feel wanted
by other men, and to be treated how
I should be... but
it overwhelms me with sadness that
it is not him.
I can't get over the feelings of
missing him - and
when I do see him, it's weird, it's
as if none of
this ever happened. Our bond takes
right back over,
and once again we are soooo happy to
see each other...
Then the pattern repeats. He says we
are like Romeo
and Juliet, star-crossed lovers that
can't seem to
be together... but can't be apart. I
cannot imagine
him not in my life.
The thought of him with someone else
is devastating.
It's tearing me up, I'm so crushed.
I understand his
dilemma - he is very confused and
having a hard time
as well. But... now what?
We often try to set each other
free... but we can't.
How can I help him decide what to
do... when every
minute feels like a countdown until
I can speak to
or see him again?
Logically, I can say to myself "get
a life," but
emotionally I am stuck and sinking.
Thank you if you can help!
"Bethany" (not her real name)
From Mimi:
Dear Bethany,
Men like this can spend time "in
limbo"
with you, the lady in waiting. They
do
believe that they are in love with
you.
But meanwhile, you're in an endless
loop.
It's intoxicating for a while,
because
when you get together, it's so
wonderful -
until it isn't!!
It is not fun to be "on the fence"
for anyone.
It's one thing to be grappling with
a decision
for a time. But this situation has
gone on for
too long, and it's only getting
worse.
The playful, cozy interaction that
Bethany
describes is happening for a
different
reason for her than it is for him.
One reason it seems wonderful is
because
Bethany is this special corner of
his life -
the "romance" corner. Yet he has
another
life too - that is much bigger than
the
corner filled by Bethany.
This part-time relationship where
one
never knows what's going to happen
is
not good enough, after three years.
Bethany's man was motivated enough
to
actually get a divorce, because he
was
"in love." But he eventually found
out
that in his heart, he was really not
divorced.
It's great that he spends time with
his
children. But he's telling Bethany
that
he regrets that he's no longer a
part of
their day-to-day lives. He has
resumed the
full-time father role, which is a
good
thing indeed for his kids.
He even tells Bethany, "Maybe I can
be home
again....if I could just learn to
fall in
love with my ex."
It's good that he is honest with
Bethany
about these feelings. But he
obviously
has regrets about getting divorced
and
losing his way of life - his husband
and
father role.
The problem is - instead of making a
decision
to return or not - he's keeping both
his
ex-wife and Bethany in limbo.
A situation like this can only
happen with
the consent of the ex-wife and
Bethany.
He tells Bethany about his long
history
with his wife, and his lack of
romantic
feelings for her. He even tells her
that
perhaps if he spends more time
there, he
may be able to feel more for his
wife
than friendship.
It sounds to me like that is already
happening! But this man wants to
soften
the blow for Bethany by talking his
way
around his return to his marriage.
Not only that, but this man is
sending
Bethany the message over and over
that he
believes that the right thing to do
is to
resume being the family man he once
was.
He's saying this loud and clear.
Bethany says, "I know he is not
intimate
with her, but he IS experimenting by
kissing her goodnight to see if he
can
develop feelings..."
It sounds to me like he's already
intimate
with his ex-wife, but he can't bring
himself
to tell Bethany the whole truth.
By the way - those feelings were
there when
he married this woman. So I wouldn't
ever
be too sure that they totally
disappeared.
Marriage is powerful, spark or no
spark.
People don't stay together for 20
years
for no reason.
While he's telling Bethany about his
dilemma, he's telling her how
wonderful
their love is, drawing both of them
into
this drama.
Bethany, you've been with this man
for
three years. In my opinion, some of
the
tools you are using are not right
for
this situation.
I don't think you should make it
easier
for him to be on the fence. Being
nice
and understanding should only be a
temporary response for a temporary
situation.
It sounds clear that he leans
strongly
toward becoming the husband and
father
that he was before. It is more than
possible that he is spending his
nights
there. His family life is where his
heart is. As long as you hang on, he
gets
to have two women and a family. That
may be what he really wants, but
it's
no good for you or for his ex-wife.
The problem is that a man like this
may
never ever be able to make a
decision on
this. He could waffle like this
until the
kids are out of college.
Even after his kids are all grown
up, he'll
tell you they'd still be devastated
by another
split.
In a few more years, he will tell
you that
his wife or ex-wife is getting older
and needs
him.
It's not just the kids - it's the
whole picture.
It's the in-laws, the mutual
friends, and the
whole community of people who know
this man
as the "husband of" and the "father
of"!
If he can have all of this and have
you, too,
then it's very possible that he will
hang
on to you for as long as you allow
it.
But all of this is his problem to
solve. You
cannot keep your life on hold.
Yes, he will pine for you, and will
do
everything in his power to get you
back,
so he can have both the passion and
the
fun - and the wife and kids too. I
feel
that he will use this "intense
connection"
to try to hang on to you, because it
is
what keeps you with him.
There comes a point when a woman can
no
longer respect a man who acts like
this.
He's being dishonest with himself,
you,
and his ex-wife and kids... all
while
seeming to be the honest, torn,
suffering
nice guy. He makes sure to keep you
happy
enough so that you will stick
around. And
all of this continues because you
too are
going along with this, in spite of
your
misgivings. Part of the reason for
this
is the repeated words between you
two that
you both cannot give up your intense
connection. This highly addictive
love
talk is counter to the fact that
this
man got a divorce but is now heading
back
"home."
The pain and suffering and longing
has somehow
become part and parcel of your
feelings of
love, so that after all this time,
you might
not feel like it's love without the
pain.
It's all part of that intoxicating
intensity.
However, enough is enough. His words
are
no longer being backed up by his
actions.
Instead of asking less of him and
being so
nice to him, you will have to be the
one to
"man up" here. It's your life,
Bethany, and
of course you know that you deserve
better.
You will get over this man, and for
your
sake, the sooner, the better.
Bethany tells us, "He says we are
like Romeo
and Juliet, star-crossed lovers that
can't seem
to be together... but can't be
apart."
That's exactly what I'm talking
about, Bethany.
This man somewhere knows exactly
what buttons
to push and what to say when he
wants you to
feel that this is a great love
that's worth
suffering over. Meanwhile, this
honest, torn,
nice guy - is not that honest, torn,
or nice.
But chances are that he prefers to
think of
himself as a suffering hero.
This "star-crossed" talk can be very
powerful,
but it's only worthwhile if it's
grounded in
reality.
This relationship is indeed a fairy
tale, sad
to say. I'm sure as Bethany
describes, he has
tried to get off the fence and tells
her that
she doesn't deserve this, but all
this is
getting them nowhere and could
potentially be
very hurtful.
The man who claims to want family
life so
much is playing with dynamite. It
makes you
wonder if he really wants this - or
if he
really wants to sabotage everyone in
his
life, including himself.
In such a situation, your smartest
move
is probably to cut off all contact
with
him, so that you can grow to the
point
that you are safely and totally out
of
the emotional grip of this drama for
good.
Be prepared for him to pursue you.
He knows
how to reach you and what has
meaning for
you - your special relationship with
him.
But believe me, one of the main
reasons
it is special is because he can only
keep you in that part-time corner of
his world.
This man will resist you taking away
this intense, romantic corner of his
life, since he's not getting
everything
he wants from his family life.
But after three years, you should
not
be waiting for a call and a visit.
You
should no longer be "understanding"
of
anything other than that it's time
to end it.
You have your own life, and you
deserve
to be living it, and to not be "on
call."
Would you like to know the BEST CURE
for
getting over this man??? Get him to
tell
you as much as possible about his
ex-wife.
Think as much as you can about HER
life
and what she's gone through that
made
her the person she is. Put yourself
in her shoes. Don't buy into any
lame
complaints he makes about her,
either.
The more you think about HER, the
less
you will want him - and the more you
will
realize that he's jerking her around
too!
This man - like most men in this
kind of
situation - wants to think of
himself as
Mr. Nice Guy - and portrays himself
as
the tortured hero who wants "nothing
but the best" for all of you!!
How many times have you all heard
THAT one?
It tends to trigger my B.S. meter
when it
comes from someone who is living a
double
life!!
Tell Mr. Wonderful that his Juliet
has left
the balcony!!
Don't look back!! Hang on - it will
get better.
But ONLY if you get out of this
miserable mess.
You said he has asked for space -
please, give
him that space. It's definitely best
for his
family anyway!
Bethany, I know that after 3 years,
this is so
hard for you, as you've described,
and I want
you to know that we will be rooting
for you and
even praying for you to have the
strength to
leave and not allow yourself to be
drawn back
in as his part-time romance relief.
You deserve
SO much more.
Have a great day, everyone, and keep
your Flirt on!
With love,
Mimi Tanner
Author of "Man Mistake Eraser - How
to Regain a Man's
Interest"
http://www.ManMistakeEraser.com
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Hey Beautiful,
I have so many responses to
yesterday's email
that it will take 2 days to share
some of the best
ones with you! First, a quick
announcement:
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Relationship Myths (Not what you'd
expect!!)
-------MYTH #1: "He's gone; it's
over; you'll never
get back together."
-------That is one of the biggest
relationship myths,
according to Mike Fiore, who is a
truly nice man, and
who seems to get a big reaction from
people,
one way or the other! I was in
email touch with
him just last night at 2am
discussing one of my
not-so-beautiful websites. I
thought it was great
until I saw it through his expert
eyes and thought,
ohhh, yeah! sigh... he's right!!
------MYTH #2: Mike says it's also
a MYTH when your
friends and relatives tell you
"forget him, move on..."
------This cool cartoon (with Mike
narrating) explains
these MYTHS, and more:
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www.textyourmanback.com
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Here are a few of the many great
emails sent to
me in response to "Bethany's"
situation.
From "Rachel":
Hey Bella,
In reply to "Juliet"... must you
drink this cup
of poison you have poured yourself,
Bethany?
Where is your strong self esteem?
The professional
carer who knows how to care for
herself first?
The healer who heals her own heart?
Love YOU first always, and love only
a man who
loves HIMSELF enough to sort out his
stuff in
a mature way without using you as a
friend with
benefits, an amiable, sexy,
undemanding,
understanding balm for his
angst...say NO to
that, please!
And remember, a man will ALWAYS vote
with his
feet. If he is "home" in the heart
of his family
often, then you are a FWB only, and
you deserve
better...
Most other guys get the divorce and
set up a
home to have their kids stay in,
often close
by and often half-care with each
parent...
those are the guys who no longer
love their
wives and truly have moved on -
sorry but it's
TRUE, they vote with their feet. No
divorce =
still not detached. Visits to
ex-wife and
kisses = intent to return to the
marriage.
The only way he could ever possibly
come to
YOU, Juliet, is if you pull way, way
back and
stop the lovemaking and passion and
explain
that you need a man who is FREE to
LOVE you,
and move forward with you.
You must REQUIRE his committed love,
and
sadly I believe you know you haven't
got that.
Then you must date others even if
your heart
is not in it.
Don't do like I did. Don't take FIVE
YEARS
till the scales fall from your eyes
about
someone you believed in.
-- "Rachel"
Rachel, thank you - you are SO right
that a man who
truly doesn't want to remain with a
wife - does not
remain!! He gets out! And vice
versa. As you said,
his actions prove his feelings.
Location, location, location!
I believe that people who REALLY
want a divorce
do so because they just cannot STAND
it at all
any more - the incompatibility
simply becomes
too unbearable. Other people may
have the patience
and self-control to overcome this
and stay, even
if they're unhappy. But to me -
there comes a time
when a truly unhappy person can't do
anything
BUT leave. I'm not encouraging this
- I'm saying
this to point out that a man who
DOES NOT
LEAVE - is a lot more comfortable
than maybe
even HE knows!!! As Rachel said -
check out
their feet - and where they keep
returning -
or where they are planted. It's no
accident.
MEN WHO WAFFLE 'BECAUSE OF THE KIDS'
It's EASY for a man to say "I'm only
there
because of the kids." Who can argue
with
that?? Even if they ARE there for
the kids -
well, if you think that ends when
they
graduate from high school, or when
they
get married - think again!!
This email points this out:
From "Sarah":
Hi Mimi,
I have just finished reading your
email, 'Juliet has
left the balcony.' I am 200% behind
in what you're
saying and advising Bethany. Like
you said, most of
us have been in a situation like
hers, and some will
see further than their nose that a
relationship like
that will never go anywhere or come
to anything.
It is typical of a relationship
'dictated' by the
man's 'self-pity' and 'woe-is-me'
emotional
blackmail!
Using Mimi's words:
Even after his
kids are all grown up, he'll
tell you they'd
still be devastated by another
split.
In a few more
years, he will tell you that
his wife or
ex-wife is getting older and needs
him.
It's not just
the kids - it's the whole picture.
It's the
in-laws, the mutual friends, and the
whole community
of people who know this man
as the "husband
of" and the "father of"!
Part of that picture, I think, would
be his children;
grown up and having a family of
their own. Wouldn't
he also want to be part of his
grandchildren's lives?
What of Bethany's future? She would
be missing her
moment for a good stable
relationship with children
of her own... How emotionally cruel
of him to control
Bethany with his sad tales of home
life!
I can't help thinking he knows
exactly what he is
doing... Sounds very much like the
joy-of-polygamy
without the guilt!
Mimi, I could go on forever.
After reading this article I'm sure
Bethany came to the
right person to 'off-load'. She knew
she would get an
honest and objective solution. And
so do I.
Thank you for sharing this. I am one
of your avid readers.
-- "Sarah"
Thank you, Sarah, you are so right -
and some
men (and women) are adept at
applying emotional
blackmail to the naive - or trying
to do so.
Blackmail of the heart the worst -
but we never
have to agree to any "terms" -
instead, we can
laugh out loud. This tends to be
very quick to cool
the romance talk, if all else fails.
Speaking of the grown children -
those of us
who have fallen for a married man
like to kid
ourselves that when the children are
grown,
this will make a difference. In many
cases,
that's what a man tells his mistress
in
order to keep her on layaway!!
But grown children can be far more
LIVID
at the prospect of Dear Old Dad
leaving
their mother for someone else. Never
underestimate THAT tidal wave -
don't
forget that a man cares very much
about
what his children think of him - at
any age.
I just got an email from a women who
said
that her guy "never says anything
bad about
his wife" but that "she found out"
that this
wife is really horrible.
Let's just say that a person can get
this
picture without the suffering spouse
ever
actually seeming to say a bad word.
That's
quintessential manipulation that
only the
pros seem to know how to do! (That's
a
topic in itself!!)
HE CLAIMS HE'S NOT SLEEPING WITH HER
-
IN A CASE LIKE THIS, SHOULD YOU
BELIEVE THAT?
Yesterday, when Bethany said that
her man is
not sleeping with his wife, he's
just "experimenting
with kissing her goodnight" to try
to build
a spark - I said, "Don't be too sure
that he's
not sleeping with his wife."
One person asked me, "Why do you
relationship
advice writers always assume that
the guy is
sleeping with his wife?"
Answer: Because, Virginia, he
almost always IS.
(We'll talk later about Santa Claus
too, but I don't
want to shatter all your illusions
on the same day.) : )
Ask anyone old enough to have seen
how this works,
almost universally. I know it's
hard to believe he is
sleeping with "that cow," but honey,
he IS.
Or of course, you can keep on living
in LALA land... : )
And if he's not, he may as well be,
because he
is SuperGlued to the wife,
lovemaking or no.
I know some men get divorced. But
what in the
heck happens to them? They get
snapped up
mighty soon by the woman down the
block from
them. SO TRUE. Men are generally
not as
tolerant of living alone for long as
women
can be. The ones who are tolerant of
being
alone can sometimes be ones who
would
have a hard time being in a
relationship, period.
In this case: a man who tells his
lover that
he's experimenting with kissing his
wife,
hoping for sparks to be lit and
hoping to
fall in love with her again - this
assumption
is more than just possible, it's
highly probable.
(And for the person who asked -
showing
your guy these emails on this
subject
will only make him defensive and
angry -
so you were right - not a good
idea!)
Of course a man does not want to
TELL you
that he's being "unfaithful" to you
with his
lawfully wedded S.O. (Significant
Other)....
But in more cases than not - married
people
actually feel free to sleep with
their
spouses. I'm sure there are
exceptions,
but I think that between the heat
and the
guilt of an affair, some of that
glow can
rub right off, to the person they
sleep
next to every night.
Stranger things have happened.
Here is an email from a WIFE on this
very
point:
From "Nanette" (not her real name):
Boy oh boy, this one hit with me.
only I was "the
wife." After him waffling for 3
years, I finally
had enough and filed for divorce.
Can we say "wants
to have his cake and eat it too?"
Oddly enough, "she" moved on too,
and has now been
involved with someone full time. My
ex is dating a
succession of women he met through
online dating
sites. He's on his 3rd girlfriend.
And you were SPOT ON with telling
Bethany that he
may indeed be sleeping with his
wife. I know my ex
and I did.
-- "Nanette"
Thank you, Nanette, and you also
bring up the
point that things don't tend to work
out, more
often than not, with the woman a man
leaves his
wife for.
Why do we - when under this spell
with some
man - find it easy to believe that
they are
not sleeping with the woman they
wanted
enough to MARRY - and that things
have
changed SO much that now she's a
mean old
cow he wants nothing to do with?
This is QUITE naive - ask any woman
over 40
about this - she's heard stories for
years -
and these men with one foot in the
marriage
"for the kids" ARE sleeping with
their wives!
Again - there are exceptions. There
are divorced
men who are REALLY divorced and not
on the
fence.
But when Bethany's guy left his wife
- she and
he did not move forward. He moved
backward -
realizing that he had been blinded
temporarily
and not in touch with the full cost
of his
divorce decision. Perhaps he is a
man who will
never be able to be happy, married
or single -
who knows?
Right now - he's making two women
miserable -
and probably not contributing to his
own
physical health, and certainly not
to his
integrity, in the process.
Marriage is tough, but infidelity is
much
tougher. The people who live their
life
"on the fence" with one foot in a
marriage
and one foot in an affair have a
bigger
problem than those who either get a
divorce or stay married.
WELL, there's much more. It will
not be
easy copying, pasting, and
formatting, trust
me; I hope I can do it! More
tomorrow on
this hot topic, and thank you for
your emails.
Have a great day, and keep your
Flirt on!
With love,
Mimi Tanner
Author of "Hard To Get - The
Timeless Art of Conquering His
Heart."
http://www.hardtoget.com
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