Juliet Has Left the Balcony:  Original Email and Reader Responses

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Here is the Original Email

Hey Beautiful,

Here is an email from a woman whose story I'm calling:

"Tell Him Juliet Has Left the Balcony":

This story was shared with me about 2 years ago...

I hope I can find out what happened. Here goes:

(Details have been changed for privacy.)

Hi Mimi,

First I have to say, your work is fantastic,
and I always look forward to your emails.

I'll try to keep this short...

I work in the medical field, and I have been
dating a highly regarded professional in the
same field for 3 years.

We are so in love with each other. We are that
couple that has to sit beside each other in
a restaurant, whose breakfast bowls have to
be touching... who everyone comments on us
wherever we go. We are so touchy-feely,
we laugh, we have so much fun... we play!
We twirl in the grocery store! Our passion
is enough to bring tears to my eyes. Sounds
too good to be true!

It is...

He ended a marriage of 20 years, moved into his
own place and has been with me ever since. I
believe he loves me, I can see it. we can sit
for hours staring into each other's eyes....

His problem is, he misses living with his children.
He sees them daily, but he says he misses the
little things of living with them. His work is
very demanding, and feels guilty he is not living
with his children. I get that.

He is spending more and more time at his ex-wife's
house to be with his kids. I even understand that...
But he has asked for "space" to figure out what to
do with his life. He often says, "Maybe I can be
home again....if I could just learn to fall in
love with my ex."

He says they have a 20-plus-year history, and he
loves her, but not that way. He says maybe if he
spends more time there he might be able to feel
something other than friendship for her.

I know he is not intimate with her, but he IS
experimenting by kissing her goodnight to see
if he can develop feelings... and somehow learn
to live without me...

However, we never last more than 3 days apart.
It's so strong, I logically cannot explain it.
I know I should let him go, figure himself out...
but I feel like I can hardly breathe without
him. And he gets the same for me. I'm not sure
if someone can *learn* to fall in love, if that
spark is not there.

Although they were together over 20 years, he
said he had no idea love could feel like it does
with us.

My problem: I know I need to leave him to figure
his life out. I follow your "tips" for a short
time; I do not call him, I wait to get back to him,
when he calls, I am sweet and keep it short... but
I end up losing it when I do the "tips" and I don't
hear from him. (I guess I want it to happen faster?)

It's never been more than a day that he doesn't call
or text... but I feel sad that "all" I get is a call.

I want him to show up!!! And I end up calling him
after about a week of following the rules.... and
talk about my feelings... and cry... but he's on
my mind ALL THE TIME.

I tried to "see" other people, and I would come home
and bawl my face off, because I don't want anyone else.
My heart is with him. Yes, it is nice to feel wanted
by other men, and to be treated how I should be... but
it overwhelms me with sadness that it is not him.

I can't get over the feelings of missing him - and
when I do see him, it's weird, it's as if none of
this ever happened. Our bond takes right back over,
and once again we are soooo happy to see each other...

Then the pattern repeats. He says we are like Romeo
and Juliet, star-crossed lovers that can't seem to
be together... but can't be apart. I cannot imagine
him not in my life.

The thought of him with someone else is devastating.
It's tearing me up, I'm so crushed. I understand his
dilemma - he is very confused and having a hard time
as well. But... now what?

We often try to set each other free... but we can't.
How can I help him decide what to do... when every
minute feels like a countdown until I can speak to
or see him again?

Logically, I can say to myself "get a life," but
emotionally I am stuck and sinking.

Thank you if you can help!

"Bethany" (not her real name)

From Mimi:

Dear Bethany,

Men like this can spend time "in limbo"
with you, the lady in waiting. They do
believe that they are in love with you.
But meanwhile, you're in an endless loop.
It's intoxicating for a while, because
when you get together, it's so wonderful -
until it isn't!!

It is not fun to be "on the fence" for anyone.
It's one thing to be grappling with a decision
for a time. But this situation has gone on for
too long, and it's only getting worse.

The playful, cozy interaction that Bethany
describes is happening for a different
reason for her than it is for him.

One reason it seems wonderful is because
Bethany is this special corner of his life -
the "romance" corner. Yet he has another
life too - that is much bigger than the
corner filled by Bethany.

This part-time relationship where one
never knows what's going to happen is
not good enough, after three years.

Bethany's man was motivated enough to
actually get a divorce, because he was
"in love." But he eventually found out
that in his heart, he was really not
divorced.

It's great that he spends time with his
children. But he's telling Bethany that
he regrets that he's no longer a part of
their day-to-day lives. He has resumed the
full-time father role, which is a good
thing indeed for his kids.

He even tells Bethany, "Maybe I can be home
again....if I could just learn to fall in
love with my ex."

It's good that he is honest with Bethany
about these feelings. But he obviously
has regrets about getting divorced and
losing his way of life - his husband and
father role.

The problem is - instead of making a decision
to return or not - he's keeping both his
ex-wife and Bethany in limbo.

A situation like this can only happen with
the consent of the ex-wife and Bethany.

He tells Bethany about his long history
with his wife, and his lack of romantic
feelings for her. He even tells her that
perhaps if he spends more time there, he
may be able to feel more for his wife
than friendship.

It sounds to me like that is already
happening! But this man wants to soften
the blow for Bethany by talking his way
around his return to his marriage.

Not only that, but this man is sending
Bethany the message over and over that he
believes that the right thing to do is to
resume being the family man he once was.
He's saying this loud and clear.

Bethany says, "I know he is not intimate
with her, but he IS experimenting by
kissing her goodnight to see if he can
develop feelings..."

It sounds to me like he's already intimate
with his ex-wife, but he can't bring himself
to tell Bethany the whole truth.

By the way - those feelings were there when
he married this woman. So I wouldn't ever
be too sure that they totally disappeared.
Marriage is powerful, spark or no spark.
People don't stay together for 20 years
for no reason.

While he's telling Bethany about his
dilemma, he's telling her how wonderful
their love is, drawing both of them into
this drama.

Bethany, you've been with this man for
three years. In my opinion, some of the
tools you are using are not right for
this situation.

I don't think you should make it easier
for him to be on the fence. Being nice
and understanding should only be a
temporary response for a temporary
situation.

It sounds clear that he leans strongly
toward becoming the husband and father
that he was before. It is more than
possible that he is spending his nights
there. His family life is where his
heart is. As long as you hang on, he gets
to have two women and a family. That
may be what he really wants, but it's
no good for you or for his ex-wife.

The problem is that a man like this may
never ever be able to make a decision on
this. He could waffle like this until the
kids are out of college.

Even after his kids are all grown up, he'll
tell you they'd still be devastated by another
split.

In a few more years, he will tell you that
his wife or ex-wife is getting older and needs
him.

It's not just the kids - it's the whole picture.
It's the in-laws, the mutual friends, and the
whole community of people who know this man
as the "husband of" and the "father of"!

If he can have all of this and have you, too,
then it's very possible that he will hang
on to you for as long as you allow it.

But all of this is his problem to solve. You
cannot keep your life on hold.

Yes, he will pine for you, and will do
everything in his power to get you back,
so he can have both the passion and the
fun - and the wife and kids too. I feel
that he will use this "intense connection"
to try to hang on to you, because it is
what keeps you with him.

There comes a point when a woman can no
longer respect a man who acts like this.
He's being dishonest with himself, you,
and his ex-wife and kids... all while
seeming to be the honest, torn, suffering
nice guy. He makes sure to keep you happy
enough so that you will stick around. And
all of this continues because you too are
going along with this, in spite of your
misgivings. Part of the reason for this
is the repeated words between you two that
you both cannot give up your intense
connection. This highly addictive love
talk is counter to the fact that this
man got a divorce but is now heading back
"home."

The pain and suffering and longing has somehow
become part and parcel of your feelings of
love, so that after all this time, you might
not feel like it's love without the pain.
It's all part of that intoxicating intensity.
However, enough is enough. His words are
no longer being backed up by his actions.

Instead of asking less of him and being so
nice to him, you will have to be the one to
"man up" here. It's your life, Bethany, and
of course you know that you deserve better.

You will get over this man, and for your
sake, the sooner, the better.

Bethany tells us, "He says we are like Romeo
and Juliet, star-crossed lovers that can't seem
to be together... but can't be apart."

That's exactly what I'm talking about, Bethany.
This man somewhere knows exactly what buttons
to push and what to say when he wants you to
feel that this is a great love that's worth
suffering over. Meanwhile, this honest, torn,
nice guy - is not that honest, torn, or nice.
But chances are that he prefers to think of
himself as a suffering hero.

This "star-crossed" talk can be very powerful,
but it's only worthwhile if it's grounded in
reality.

This relationship is indeed a fairy tale, sad
to say. I'm sure as Bethany describes, he has
tried to get off the fence and tells her that
she doesn't deserve this, but all this is
getting them nowhere and could potentially be
very hurtful.

The man who claims to want family life so
much is playing with dynamite. It makes you
wonder if he really wants this - or if he
really wants to sabotage everyone in his
life, including himself.

In such a situation, your smartest move
is probably to cut off all contact with
him, so that you can grow to the point
that you are safely and totally out of
the emotional grip of this drama for good.

Be prepared for him to pursue you. He knows
how to reach you and what has meaning for
you - your special relationship with him.

But believe me, one of the main reasons
it is special is because he can only
keep you in that part-time corner of
his world.

This man will resist you taking away
this intense, romantic corner of his
life, since he's not getting everything
he wants from his family life.

But after three years, you should not
be waiting for a call and a visit. You
should no longer be "understanding" of
anything other than that it's time to end it.

You have your own life, and you deserve
to be living it, and to not be "on call."

Would you like to know the BEST CURE for
getting over this man??? Get him to tell
you as much as possible about his ex-wife.

Think as much as you can about HER life
and what she's gone through that made
her the person she is. Put yourself
in her shoes. Don't buy into any lame
complaints he makes about her, either.

The more you think about HER, the less
you will want him - and the more you will
realize that he's jerking her around too!

This man - like most men in this kind of
situation - wants to think of himself as
Mr. Nice Guy - and portrays himself as
the tortured hero who wants "nothing
but the best" for all of you!!

How many times have you all heard THAT one?

It tends to trigger my B.S. meter when it
comes from someone who is living a double
life!!

Tell Mr. Wonderful that his Juliet has left
the balcony!!

Don't look back!! Hang on - it will get better.
But ONLY if you get out of this miserable mess.

You said he has asked for space - please, give
him that space. It's definitely best for his
family anyway!

Bethany, I know that after 3 years, this is so
hard for you, as you've described, and I want
you to know that we will be rooting for you and
even praying for you to have the strength to
leave and not allow yourself to be drawn back
in as his part-time romance relief. You deserve
SO much more.

Have a great day, everyone, and keep your Flirt on!

With love,
Mimi Tanner
Author of "Man Mistake Eraser - How to Regain a Man's
Interest"
http://www.ManMistakeEraser.com

 

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Hey Beautiful,

I have so many responses to yesterday's email
that it will take 2 days to share some of the best
ones with you! First, a quick announcement:

*   *   *  Relationship Myths (Not what you'd expect!!)

-------MYTH #1: "He's gone; it's over; you'll never
get back together."

-------That is one of the biggest relationship myths,
according to Mike Fiore, who is a truly nice man, and
who seems to get a big reaction from people,
one way or the other!  I was in email touch with
him just last night at 2am discussing one of my
not-so-beautiful websites.  I thought it was great
until I saw it through his expert eyes and thought,
ohhh, yeah!  sigh... he's right!!

------MYTH #2:  Mike says it's also a MYTH when your
friends and relatives tell you "forget him, move on..."

------This cool cartoon (with Mike narrating) explains
these MYTHS, and more:

   ---   www.textyourmanback.com

                *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *

Here are a few of the many great emails sent to
me in response to "Bethany's" situation.

From "Rachel":

Hey Bella,

In reply to "Juliet"... must you drink this cup
of poison you have poured yourself, Bethany?
Where is your strong self esteem? The professional
carer who knows how to care for herself first?
The healer who heals her own heart?

Love YOU first always, and love only a man who
loves HIMSELF enough to sort out his stuff in
a mature way without using you as a friend with
benefits, an amiable, sexy, undemanding,
understanding balm for his angst...say NO to
that, please!

And remember, a man will ALWAYS vote with his
feet. If he is "home" in the heart of his family
often, then you are a FWB only, and you deserve
better...

Most other guys get the divorce and set up a
home to have their kids stay in, often close
by and often half-care with each parent...
those are the guys who no longer love their
wives and truly have moved on - sorry but it's
TRUE, they vote with their feet. No divorce =
still not detached. Visits to ex-wife and
kisses = intent to return to the marriage.

The only way he could ever possibly come to
YOU, Juliet, is if you pull way, way back and
stop the lovemaking and passion and explain
that you need a man who is FREE to LOVE you,
and move forward with you.

You must REQUIRE his committed love, and
sadly I believe you know you haven't got that.
Then you must date others even if your heart
is not in it.

Don't do like I did. Don't take FIVE YEARS
till the scales fall from your eyes about
someone you believed in.

-- "Rachel"

Rachel, thank you - you are SO right that a man who
truly doesn't want to remain with a wife - does not
remain!! He gets out! And vice versa. As you said,
his actions prove his feelings.

Location, location, location!

I believe that people who REALLY want a divorce
do so because they just cannot STAND it at all
any more - the incompatibility simply becomes
too unbearable. Other people may have the patience
and self-control to overcome this and stay, even
if they're unhappy. But to me - there comes a time
when a truly unhappy person can't do anything
BUT leave. I'm not encouraging this - I'm saying
this to point out that a man who DOES NOT
LEAVE - is a lot more comfortable than maybe
even HE knows!!!  As Rachel said - check out
their feet - and where they keep returning -
or where they are planted. It's no accident.

MEN WHO WAFFLE 'BECAUSE OF THE KIDS'

It's EASY for a man to say "I'm only there
because of the kids." Who can argue with
that?? Even if they ARE there for the kids -
well, if you think that ends when they
graduate from high school, or when they
get married - think again!!

This email points this out:

From "Sarah":

Hi Mimi,

I have just finished reading your email, 'Juliet has
left the balcony.' I am 200% behind in what you're
saying and advising Bethany. Like you said, most of
us have been in a situation like hers, and some will
see further than their nose that a relationship like
that will never go anywhere or come to anything.

It is typical of a relationship 'dictated' by the
man's 'self-pity' and 'woe-is-me' emotional
blackmail!

Using Mimi's words:

     Even after his kids are all grown up, he'll
     tell you they'd still be devastated by another
     split.

     In a few more years, he will tell you that
     his wife or ex-wife is getting older and needs
     him.

     It's not just the kids - it's the whole picture.
     It's the in-laws, the mutual friends, and the
     whole community of people who know this man
     as the "husband of" and the "father of"!

Part of that picture, I think, would be his children;
grown up and having a family of their own. Wouldn't
he also want to be part of his grandchildren's lives?
What of Bethany's future? She would be missing her
moment for a good stable relationship with children
of her own... How emotionally cruel of him to control
Bethany with his sad tales of home life!

I can't help thinking he knows exactly what he is
doing... Sounds very much like the joy-of-polygamy
without the guilt!

Mimi, I could go on forever.

After reading this article I'm sure Bethany came to the
right person to 'off-load'. She knew she would get an
honest and objective solution. And so do I.

Thank you for sharing this. I am one of your avid readers.

-- "Sarah"

Thank you, Sarah, you are so right - and some
men (and women) are adept at applying emotional
blackmail to the naive - or trying to do so.

Blackmail of the heart the worst - but we never
have to agree to any "terms" - instead, we can
laugh out loud. This tends to be very quick to cool
the romance talk, if all else fails.

Speaking of the grown children - those of us
who have fallen for a married man like to kid
ourselves that when the children are grown,
this will make a difference. In many cases,
that's what a man tells his mistress in
order to keep her on layaway!!

But grown children can be far more LIVID
at the prospect of Dear Old Dad leaving
their mother for someone else. Never
underestimate THAT tidal wave - don't
forget that a man cares very much about
what his children think of him - at any age.

I just got an email from a women who said
that her guy "never says anything bad about
his wife" but that "she found out" that this
wife is really horrible.

Let's just say that a person can get this
picture without the suffering spouse ever
actually seeming to say a bad word. That's
quintessential manipulation that only the
pros seem to know how to do! (That's a
topic in itself!!)

HE CLAIMS HE'S NOT SLEEPING WITH HER -
IN A CASE LIKE THIS, SHOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT?

Yesterday, when Bethany said that her man is
not sleeping with his wife, he's just "experimenting
with kissing her goodnight" to try to build
a spark - I said, "Don't be too sure that he's
not sleeping with his wife."

One person asked me, "Why do you relationship
advice writers always assume that the guy is
sleeping with his wife?"

Answer:  Because, Virginia, he almost always IS.
(We'll talk later about Santa Claus too, but I don't
want to shatter all your illusions on the same day.)  : )

Ask anyone old enough to have seen how this works,
almost universally.  I know it's hard to believe he is
sleeping with "that cow," but honey, he IS.

Or of course, you can keep on living in LALA land... : )

And if he's not, he may as well be, because he
is SuperGlued to the wife, lovemaking or no.

I know some men get divorced. But what in the
heck happens to them?  They get snapped up
mighty soon by the woman down the block from
them.  SO TRUE.  Men are generally not as
tolerant of living alone for long as women
can be. The ones who are tolerant of being
alone can sometimes be ones who would
have a hard time being in a relationship, period.

In this case: a man who tells his lover that
he's experimenting with kissing his wife,
hoping for sparks to be lit and hoping to
fall in love with her again - this assumption
is more than just possible, it's highly probable.

(And for the person who asked - showing
your guy these emails on this subject
will only make him defensive and angry -
so you were right - not a good idea!)

Of course a man does not want to TELL you
that he's being "unfaithful" to you with his
lawfully wedded S.O. (Significant Other)....

But in more cases than not - married people
actually feel free to sleep with their
spouses. I'm sure there are exceptions,
but I think that between the heat and the
guilt of an affair, some of that glow can
rub right off, to the person they sleep
next to every night.

Stranger things have happened.

Here is an email from a WIFE on this very
point:

From "Nanette" (not her real name):

Boy oh boy, this one hit with me. only I was "the
wife." After him waffling for 3 years, I finally
had enough and filed for divorce. Can we say "wants
to have his cake and eat it too?"

Oddly enough, "she" moved on too, and has now been
involved with someone full time. My ex is dating a
succession of women he met through online dating
sites. He's on his 3rd girlfriend.

And you were SPOT ON with telling Bethany that he
may indeed be sleeping with his wife. I know my ex
and I did.

-- "Nanette"

Thank you, Nanette, and you also bring up the
point that things don't tend to work out, more
often than not, with the woman a man leaves his
wife for.

Why do we - when under this spell with some
man - find it easy to believe that they are
not sleeping with the woman they wanted
enough to MARRY - and that things have
changed SO much that now she's a mean old
cow he wants nothing to do with?

This is QUITE naive - ask any woman over 40
about this - she's heard stories for years -
and these men with one foot in the marriage
"for the kids" ARE sleeping with their wives!

Again - there are exceptions. There are divorced
men who are REALLY divorced and not on the
fence.

But when Bethany's guy left his wife - she and
he did not move forward. He moved backward -
realizing that he had been blinded temporarily
and not in touch with the full cost of his
divorce decision. Perhaps he is a man who will
never be able to be happy, married or single -
who knows?

Right now - he's making two women miserable -
and probably not contributing to his own
physical health, and certainly not to his
integrity, in the process.

Marriage is tough, but infidelity is much
tougher. The people who live their life
"on the fence" with one foot in a marriage
and one foot in an affair have a bigger
problem than those who either get a
divorce or stay married.

WELL, there's much more.  It will not be
easy copying, pasting, and formatting, trust
me; I hope I can do it!  More tomorrow on
this hot topic, and thank you for your emails.

Have a great day, and keep your Flirt on!

With love,
Mimi Tanner
Author of "Hard To Get - The Timeless Art of Conquering His Heart."
http://www.hardtoget.com
 

 

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