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He Just Happens To Be Married

Hey Beautiful,

For those who are emotionally bound to married men, know
that a LOT of people reading this (and writing this - ahem)
have "been there."

It's true that we can't choose who we fall in love with. It
can also be true that you and he would make a wonderful
couple.

But in most cases, trying to compete with an established
marriage is some serious misery that you do not need to
sign up for.

Yet it can be hard and almost impossible to see this when
you're in the middle of the intense infatuation and even
love for a man who "happens to be married."

Happens to be?  Honey, there's nothing "happens to be"
about it. His marriage is not EVEN any remote kind
of coincidental circumstance.

Here's what happened.  He just HAPPENED to fall in love
with that woman.

Men are emotional AND LOGICAL creatures who do not
usually make the marriage decision lightly.

Most states/countries have a short waiting period
between applying for the marriage license and actually
tying the knot so that the drugs can wear off and
the hangover can begin.

Men marry because they want to marry... because they
DECIDE to marry HER.  Usually they're not tricked or
pressured into it...  (the shotgun marriage method still
works after all these years, however).

It's shocking to recognize that the man you love may
also love someone else a lot more than you realized...
but true. Sadly true if you fall in love with him sometime
later on.  Sadder still if he encourages you to do so.

So don't sign up for this torture. Life is tough enough
without making it practically IMPOSSIBLE.

I've known more than one couple who DID marry and get
together - who originally were the husband and his mistress;
he left his wife, and married her.  In fact, they can be some
of the most respectable people you know (that you didn't
necessarily know this about).

How can I describe them?

In a word, very defensive. Okay, 2 words. In several cases,
the wife is the big church-goer, but hey - she was the Other
Woman, ya know??

Of course, we can be forgiven for being the other woman.
(If not, heaven will have a real population crisis...)

Am I saying the former "other women" should avoid church to
"atone" for their sin? Of course not, that would be stupid....

Fact is, we're all human. We mess up big time. We can
move on and be forgiven.

I do know marriages that started out this way that were
in fact TRUE love that lasted decades until death.

I'm not saying it isn't always true love.

But if he's married, then let him be.  If your love
with him is truly meant to be, then he can take care
of his marriage on his own, and he can someday seek
you out when he is 100% single and recovered... and
not still on the fence with one foot still in his
marriage.

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Here are three more great emails I have received
on our story "Juliet Has Left the Balcony":

Hi Mimi - I really enjoy your down to earth advise!
I couldn't help giving my two cents on Bethany's story.

First of all, she sounds like she's on drugs. Secondly,
what kind of immature, stupidly desperate and desperately
stupid woman is she? No part of this "story" makes any
sense. All the love, love, love and little girl romance
can't hide the fact that this guy is a total dog.

Yes, we all make stupid mistakes when it comes to men and
relationships, but this reads like an old Harlequin romance
except it turns out horribly - for her! I had to laugh at
some of the responses.

Bottom line - if he's married, or says he's separated, says
the wife hates him, WHATEVER, he's NOT free, not available,
not a good choice.

Been there, done that, bought the tank top....
She needs to pull up her panties and get a life.

-- Karen


Sigh..........Mimi...I just read letters ....OMG...HOW DEPRESSING!!!!!!  I WANT TO SLIT MY WRISTS!!!! (Just kidding...)...Is there ANY hope or are ALL men liars, cheaters, scumbags? Its seems now that FWB sex is sooooooo easy to get (Internet) that NO man has to be faithful... OR CARES!!!!,......ARGH! I'M SO DEPRESSED........!!

-- Suz

Hi Mimi,

It's pretty sad when infatuation causes marriages to break up.

Quite an intoxicating drug.  Under the spell, we think it's destiny; true love; meant to be.

This story of Juliet on the balcony is about a mistress breaking up a marriage and a family.  But she won't see it that way.

How can he find the 'in-love' feelings again for his wife when he's too busy giving that emotional side of himself to an intoxicating
affair?

Someone cannot make a true and honest decision to end a marriage
with a spouse if there is a paramour waiting in the wings.

I am shocked daily when I see how many people think it's okay for other people to have an affair and even support the couple with the affair and divorce.  I mean I "get" what causes people to fall into affairs.

But it's the rest of us who condone it in so many ways that shocks me the most.  What most of us don't recognize is a person in a separation is still married.  Usually there is a shocked and devastated spouse trying to bring the marriage back -- yet most people encourage divorce and the couple in the affair instead of the marriage and the family.

Mimi, I love your column because it's the etiquette for dating that I never knew.  I think we need education not just about that, but also very clearly about supporting marriages instead of undermining them.

Very often people believe they want a divorce only to discover the sorrow and loss and reality of it all.    If they haven't burned too many bridges, they often go back and create an amazing marriage. Especially for the sake of children, the separation should be regarded like the marriage:  Off limits!

Thanks Mimi.

-- L.

It has been great to receive these emails from readers.  To read more of them, go to:

http://www.hardtoget.com/juliet.html

and to read the original email they're talking about,
go to:  http://www.hardtoget.com/juliethasleftthebalcony.html

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About "Hard To Get": "Love is meant to be exciting"

Love is meant to be exciting. The loves we remember the most are the ones which made our heart beat fast!

Sometimes it's the other way around - when hearts race while you're together, that binds you both closer and makes for lasting memories.

Love is meant to be fun. It's meant to make both of your lives better - and happier.

Make his heart race by leaning back - by waiting - by holding back - in general. That presents a challenge for your guy - in an endless number of ways!

Being "harder to get" does in fact give you an edge. It means that you understand to your core that love is meant to make our hearts race!

This in fact empowers you - it EMPOWERS you!

You do have an edge. But you're doing nothing more than what women have been doing for centuries, whether it was intentional or not.

It's simply what works, what protects your heart, and what ignites the fireworks of romance in a way that imprints YOU on his heart forever.

You are being yourself - and it's the self that is NOT desperate to win any man.

It's the self that knows she is wonderful and worth being pursued and courted by the man of her dreams. With that mindset, you're already
a winner!

What is "Hard To Get"?

Hard to Get is a time-honored principle for a reason.

Find out just how valuing yourself and using restraint and discipline on some of the urges you may have that work against you when it's the "wrong time" for what's in your head... when you might be about to do something that would NOT work in your best interest OR HIS!

Yes, love is the most exciting and wonderful "game" ever invented, so play to win. Play hard.... to get!

Have a great day, and keep your Flirt on!

With love,
Mimi Tanner

Author of "Hard To Get - The Timeless Art of Conquering His Heart"
http://www.hardtoget.com


P.S. This is an email I received from someone who owns my program "Hard To Get":

Oh my Mimi....I haven't been on this email account in months.... but I must tell you that I just got married this past Fall and I am so very happy. It all started it in 2011.  My man was a tough cookie, was never married and didn't want to ever get married.  I knew that going in, but fell in love.

So 10 months into the relationship I could tell that things were not only starting to feel stagnated, but I was being severely taken for granted.  Honestly I couldn't go on like that, so I had no choice but to do the "Reverse Ultimatum," and if it worked, great.  But I really felt like it was going to be over (which was quite painful) but this way of handling
things seemed the most natural with no drama involved.

I read the chapters that I had over and over and over for reinforcement.  I stayed happy (faked it) and made every excuse not to see him.  I was never prepared for his reaction and he started going crazy and showing up at my house with flowers (a first) and then asked if I wanted a ring. But I held my ground and six weeks later we were engaged.  And yes
he bought me the most beautiful ring!

I never gave any ultimatum, I just let him know that we were on two different pages, and that he didn't want to get married and he deserved to have what he wanted, but I deserved what I wanted to and that is to get married.

When we had that conversation after six weeks of him chasing me around (that was actually a lot of fun now that I look back) he said "sign me up!  We can go tonight if you like." Three months later, we were married. And life is wonderful, he is a wonderful husband!  I really really really want to say thank you, because your advice was right on.

That was a great email to get, as you can imagine! She's talking about the "Reverse Ultimatum" which is still being offered as part of Hard To Get at this time.

http://www.hardtoget.com

Even a minor difference toward being "harder to get" can make a major difference in how your man responds to you!
 

 

The Worst Outcome Imaginable 

Mimi, I thought I would add something to what has been written about starting an affair with a married man.  

I was the wife who was trying to hold a marriage together and deal with a child who was devastated that his family was being torn apart.  The pull of the "other woman" was strong enough that my husband left the marriage.  

What you don't often hear about are the devastating consequences of said actions.  Three years after the divorce my child who was extremely depressed at the loss of his family took his life.  No one can say for sure why someone takes their own life but I don't think it is coincidental that the suicide rate has almost quadrupled since the divorce rates have gone up.  

My child was not doing drugs or drinking alcohol.  He experienced many losses after his family broke up because he was hurting and felt alone and abandoned by his family, he made poor decisions.  My family is forever altered, I wish women who make the choice to run around with married men would take the time to think about what they are doing to another family.

What goes around comes around.  What makes you think that someone who would cheat on their spouse or go out with a married man will not do the same to you.  Anyone who gets a divorce needs time alone to sort out their feelings and where they have failed in the marriage before they are healed and healthy to move on to another relationship, only a fool would get involved with a married man.  

I think it is a travesty that people don't put more effort into solving their problems, especially where children are involved.

I can't bring my child back but perhaps I can prevent another person from suffering the same consequences. We as a culture need to be promoting staying and working problems out instead of running from them. Ask yourself what is the legacy you want to leave for your family?  What is the wisest decision you could make regarding your family?

- A Mom


Hi Mimi,

I have been a young girl in love with a married man in my early twenties. I have also been a wife whose husband has an affair.  The thing about it is... Everyone attacks the woman & dogs her out, but I know from experience a woman can not do anything a man doesn't allow.  

She did not make vows with this wife & commit to being a great spouse, the HUSBAND did.  If the husband would have respected his marriage from the beginning, him & his wife would be on the balcony.  

It takes two to tango, he is the man who had the power & strength & leads the woman on.  He made the vows & he broke them.  So if u condemn her, condemn him also.

- N.

Note from Mimi:  When you hear someone only blaming the woman and not recognizing where the man is at fault, that's usually coming from a woman who wants another woman to stay away.  The people who have written in here talk a lot about the man's responsibility. It almost goes without saying that we hold the man responsible for stepping outside his marriage - of course we do. As you say, it takes Two to Tango!

 

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More WIVES Speak Out - Thoughts from Readers:

The "Other Woman" Was Married Too

Hi Mimi,

I'm the wife of a cheater who "had his cake and ate it too."  My husband's girlfriend was married too!  Has anyone gone through that crap?! Shame on all of you weak selfish people.

I find it disturbing that the other woman has no remorse for all the pain & suffering her "poor choice" has made on the husband's family.  She is so far removed from reality & is self-centered that IF she could read her letter with a clear mind she would RUN from this situation as far as she could.  

I feel an apology and leaving town would be the most humane thing for her to do.  It sounds as though she has nothing or nobody who cares about her anyway. Desperate is the word.

Get a life girl.. Look for an unattached man and be cautious of WHO you get involved with in the future.  

As far as the man goes, leave him to his own suffering, he is a loser. It doesn't matter how prestigious he is in community or work.  The underlying truth is he has no virtue or integrity.  If he decides to stay with his family then so be it. But know YOU & he have caused severe damage to the wife and children for their lifetime.  

And dummy let me tell you, the loser IS sleeping with his ex,  he cheated with you & on you with his ex.  Don't think for a minute he was faithful to you - OBVIOUSLY he's not. He went back to his family...
You need to wake up..

I would like to hear from other wives... 

Thank you, Mimi, for the opportunity to vent.

-- R.


From a Wife:
I Made It Too Easy For Him To Come Back

Dear Mimi!

I have subscribed to your emails ever since I found out my husband had an affair last May. However, I have never felt compelled respond to any of the letters until reading this recent letter.

I am "the wife" in this scenario. My husband has changed his mind five different times in the last year about leaving. I accepted him back for the following reasons:

1. Well, I loved him. We have been married for 16 years.

2. We have a teenage son, and the month after I found out, he broke his leg and was in a cast for 4 months. My husband wanted to be around to help our son.

3. I believe my husband is going thru a mid-life crisis that was precipitated by his brother's death.

Lastly, my husband travels a lot and has never been very close to his son. It was always me that worked and carted our son everywhere. Consequently, he woke up and did not feel connected to us and developed a relationship with a designer he works with.

Those were my reasons the first five times he changed his mind. Yes, the word doormat comes to mind. I finally asked him to move out a little over a month ago. He was out for 10 days when he said that he missed us and his job was not worth our marriage and that he realized he did not love this other woman - that I was his best friend and he wanted to make it work. However, since my son and I returned from a trip to visit my family he is back to being distant and moody. Again. Should. It is shocking but still I am mad. Not at him. At myself.

I think the "addiction" he has to this woman that still works in his office is part of the problem. So many of the things in that letter sound exactly like what he is doing and saying.

Here's the tragic part - I made it too easy when he wanted to come back. He wants to rip her clothes off but his life is inextricably linked to my son and mine and I think he does not want to lose that. He has said as much but I am no longer able to keep fighting for my husband when in my gut, I know he still has an attraction for her.

It is so sad. My point to all this is what kind of self-respecting woman and mother would consciously get involved with a married man. When did this become okay. The other woman in my story, after having had an affair with my husband told him he should do everything he could to save his marriage. Really, she couldn't have said that before she slept with him.

Do these women realize they are breaking up a family - do they not value that and do they believe they will live happily ever after with his family and become part of that life?

My son knows the truth as my husband told him before he left last month. My husband has told his son three times he was leaving, has left and now has come back. He no longer completely trusts his dad not to leave and certainly wants no part of this woman. He loves his father but is disappointed and has Lost a lot of respect for him.

These affairs ruin lives. If it was just between my husband and I that would be one thing but it has nearly destroyed my family and will have a long lasting impact on my son and his relationship with his father.

I realize this a long letter but it is such a complex and emotional issue. I am NOT the judgmental type but I admit I have no sympathy for the women that write in about how upsetting it is that the married man they are involved with are jerking them around. He is cheating on his wife - that should say everything. Why are they surprised?

I have been trying to decide what to do and then I read this letter. I will not allow myself to enable his behavior any more. Nor will I subject my son to His dad's self destruction. He can have the other woman - me, I am going to continue jogging, playing tennis, taking cooking lessons, teaching and running 5ks. I will not become bitter or vindictive but I will look for someone that eventually will treat me with respect and consideration.

To all you women out there who have an affair with a married man, remember what goes around comes around.

Karma is a bitch.

-- The Wife


The Other Woman's Next Move?

Dear Mimi, 

I truly support you approach and I wish I'd read your books 10 years before. But logically I think, isn't the smartest move for Bethany to get pregnant by her lover? 

I mean, I never was in such situation, and I don't plan to at all. But what would this man do but stay with her if she is pregnant? 

D.

Note from Mimi:  Omg, I am sure there are probably enough children involved in this mess as it is....  I am not sure if you're really seriously suggesting this.  However, the old shotgun approach, as I said, is alive and well with all kind of unmarried couples, even women who claim to be feminists.  "Ooops, I don't know HOW I got pregnant... it was an accident!!" 

True, a really conniving woman could use a pregnancy to turn up the heat on her married lover, but it would be a truly unethical and immoral thing to do...  people should not bear children to use as pawns in affairs of the heart, married or not! 

Speaking of karma, I can't even begin to imagine how this would play out and I wouldn't want to ever find out!  (Menopause is seriously underrated, girls.  We older women have a lot less to worry about.)


Why Do They Stay??

Thanks Mimi...for your always amazing messages!!!
 
I have to ask also about the wives....and their positions....the hurt and betrayal these men cause....why do they stay as well with such men?
 
If you have time, would love to hear from some of these wives and what they think and feel? And ultimately, why do they stay?

-- A.


I Fought For Him and Won Him Back

Oh Mimi, I love your emails and I feel compelled to comment on this one.  (Please do not publish my name.)

I am on the wife side. My husband had an affair and I fought for him and won him back. But through it all I suffered (and I believe my three young daughters suffered as well) immeasurable pain and agony, loss of self esteem, and depression.

Bethany should get off the balcony not only because she deserves a real relationship, but she should have the decency to think of his wife and children, and the utter destruction and suffering she leaves in her wake of selfishness. This man is taken! There are plenty of single men out there.

Why do mistresses think they are entitled to steal what does not belong to them, to take what they want without even considering the pain they are causing to the rest of his family?

Other factors in a man's life can cause him to be vulnerable to another woman's advances (illness or death of a parent, loss of job, etc.) - and some "other women" are predators.  Have some compassion, respect, and decency and leave married men alone.

Name withheld


You're Just the Flavor of the Week

When a married man hooks up with a single female, she is just the flavor of the week. My ex cheated on me the entire time we were together. I didn't know until I caught him how many times he cheated.

He never kept any of these women; he just wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He is what I would call a serial cheater.... no one would make this jerk happy...so don't waste your time, ladies.

-- R.


Scary Fatal Attractions

Mimi,

I have been a longtime subscriber of your newsletter, but one point your article does not mention is UNREQUITED love.

I know women who know men and decide that they will do everything in their power to break up a marriage. The men do not encourage these women nor do they enjoy the "fatal attraction" like love this woman has for him. One former client of mine was forced to spend his hard-earned money to take one such woman to court and get a protective order against her.

She had decided that he needed to leave his wife and three children and help her care for her two children. Now that is audacity!

I have VERY little sympathy for women who date and pursue married men. I have been approached  by plenty of married men, but never dated one.

If a woman ever threatened me or my children in an attempt to ruin my marriage, I would definitely make certain the justice system handles her. Women need to GET OVER THEMSELVES. If he's taken, he's taken.

- M.


The Wife Can SUE You In Court

Dear Mimi,

First of all thank you for your newsletter! I appreciate the real advice instead of just the teaser stuff!

Second, I would like to respond to the dating a married man issue. Setting aside the "true love, we are perfect together, he makes me so happy" verbiage there is the practical issue of the law.

A lot of states, such as mine, do not recognize legal separation. You are married until divorced, period. Those states that do recognized legal separation must have the proper legal documents filed. A man moving out into "his own" place without the proper paperwork being filed is still a married man, legally bound to his wife.

Please let your readers know that wife can drag YOU,  the other woman, to court. She can sue YOU for alienation of affection. She can subpoena YOU as a witness in her divorce case.

Imagine my ex-husband's surprise when we got to court and I had three of his "girlfriends" sitting on the back row. All of a sudden, his case against me (I was crazy and delusional because I accused him of cheating) fell apart and I got every condition I asked for in the settlement!

Before you legally implicate yourself, please ask if your "true love" is strong enough to undergo this kind of public humiliation and scrutiny?

Thanks, S.


Mimi,

Your e-mails are always enjoyable and informative, and I often say – Amen!

This one is so on target and truthful that I hope any Beautiful Woman – takes these words to heart NOW.

And not after years of love pouring out to a man – who has given his committed heart to his wife and the mistress receives the playful heart – but not a full-hearted relationship.

My experience was that he was separated from his wife while I was going through my divorce and my fantasy was that we would be together. He returned to his committed relationship. And 14 years later he still calls often and I am very happy I am several thousands of miles removed or I would still be tempted to be playful.

Great advise as always!

- S.


Puleeze!  Once A Cheater....

Hi Mimi... I enjoy your emails... this woman who is waiting for Mr.
Married.... Puleeze..... she is wasting her time...... where is he over
weekends, when it is Thanksgiving, Xmas or when it is his birthday?
For sure he is with HIS family and wife.... and she is alone in her
apartment or house.....

She should realize that the price she is paying for being the other woman is simply too high..... Incidentally once he is free and married to her, he will be just as bored with the marriage as he is now in his current marriage.. .and a new Miss Other Woman will be waiting... does she realize this or is she so naive to think that he will be true to her....

Once a cheater, always a cheater... so stay away from this type of man and stay alive to be happy in a real relationship where you will be loved and appreciated with integrity... this man is having his cake and eating it too.

Kind thoughts,

M.


Hi Mimi,

It is as if you are talking to me. I'm so in love with a separated man and just cant let go. Perhaps if you knock me hard enough on my head, I might be able to find the strength to leave.

You are right to call it Juliet. It's suicidal. I have had the highest highs and the lowest lows in my life with this man.

- S.

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